Comments on: Issues with wireless roaming and Ralink chipsets? https://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/2009/03/issues-with-wireless-roaming-and-ralink-chipsets/ technology, networking, virtualization and IP telephony Thu, 29 Dec 2011 09:13:06 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: siva k https://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/2009/03/issues-with-wireless-roaming-and-ralink-chipsets/comment-page-1/#comment-5858 Thu, 29 Dec 2011 09:13:06 +0000 http://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/?p=695#comment-5858 hello

we could not find roaming client that sends reassoc frame.

does any of dlink, cisco, netgear adapters refered in this blog send reassoc ?

has anyone verified it?

please give feedback and link for driver and model, make of adapter for
win7, win xp

also how to configure roaming behaviour of client; we want client to roam when
signal becomes week not untill signal is totally lost

thanks
sivak

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By: Dan Coats https://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/2009/03/issues-with-wireless-roaming-and-ralink-chipsets/comment-page-1/#comment-4394 Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:16:52 +0000 http://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/?p=695#comment-4394 Look at it this way, If my clients TX power is at 100mW I can hang on to an AP for much longer than If my clients TX power is set at 10-20mW. This is exactly what we don’t want. For smooth roaming of devices in an dense network of AP’s you don’t want your client to see the AP’s at the opposite end of the hallway. In our environment (for the most part) AP’s BG radios get set at 6mW and A radios at 25mW. Then the clients get turned down to 10-20mW

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By: Michael McNamara https://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/2009/03/issues-with-wireless-roaming-and-ralink-chipsets/comment-page-1/#comment-4393 Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:02:27 +0000 http://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/?p=695#comment-4393 In reply to Dan Coats.

I only ask because you’ve confused me a bit… I can understand that logic if you are turning down the TX power on your APs. However, if you are referring to the TX power on the clients I don’t understand what bearing that has on roaming. The TX power of the client has nothing to-do with roaming it’s the RX power of the signal from the AP that the client uses to determine if it should roam or not along with a host of other variables. Perhaps you’re just turning down the TX power because of channel overlap and mobile device density?

“The variable of most importance will always be received signal strength. As the received signal from the original AP grows weaker and a station hears a stronger signal from another known access point, the station will initiate the roaming process.”

Thanks!

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By: Dan Coats https://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/2009/03/issues-with-wireless-roaming-and-ralink-chipsets/comment-page-1/#comment-4392 Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:50:20 +0000 http://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/?p=695#comment-4392 Max power is typically fine for devices sitting still, but if the device is roaming through a network with AP’s every ~40ft then the device needs to be on low power so that it knows to hop from AP to AP as you walk down the hallway. Cows and Handhelds specifically. Im at a Hospital with ~700 AP’s and all of the client devices get turned down to ~20mW so that they can roam efficently. RaLink is one of the few that does not provide this functionality in their UI. We just add the 2 registry keys in the class for the Driver and it in turn uses the settings.

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By: Michael McNamara https://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/2009/03/issues-with-wireless-roaming-and-ralink-chipsets/comment-page-1/#comment-4383 Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:51:18 +0000 http://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/?p=695#comment-4383 In reply to Dan Coats.

Thanks for the comment Dan.

It was a while ago now that I looked at this but I do recall there was some utility from RAlink that you could use to set a number of the options you described above.

Any thoughts as to why you needed to reduce the TX power to 10%…. that’s not very much given that the maximum by FCC specs in the US is 100mW.

In any event thanks for the information.

Cheers!

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By: Dan Coats https://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/2009/03/issues-with-wireless-roaming-and-ralink-chipsets/comment-page-1/#comment-4368 Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:09:10 +0000 http://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/?p=695#comment-4368 Although RaLink does not provide the ability to setup these cards for enterprise environments, the setting are still available none the less. In the registry you will find similar keys, where you can adjust the TXPower of the client and the Roaming Agressiveness.

Driver Version 3.2.1.0 dated 4/25/2011 from Ralink website.
The DeviceManager\wifi adapter\Advanced Properties = Multimedia Gaming Environment is Enabled.

HKEY_LocalMachine\System\ControlSet001\Control\Class\{xxxxxxxxxxxxx}009\FastRoamingSensitivity = 4
HKEY_Local_Machine\System\ControlSet001\Control\Class\{xxxxxxxxxxxxx}009\Default\FastRoamingSensitivity = 4

HKEY_Local_Machine\System\ControlSet001\Control\Class\{xxxxxxxxxxxxx}009\TXPower = 10
HKEY_Local_Machine\System\ControlSet001\Control\Class\{xxxxxxxxxxxxx}009\Default\TXPower = 10

HKEY_Local_Machine\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{xxxxxxxxxxxx}009\Profile\Station\MyProfileName\TXPower = 10

Forcing the TXPower down to 10% and increasing the Roaming to the Max of 4 resolves these issues in our environment.

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By: Michael McNamara https://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/2009/03/issues-with-wireless-roaming-and-ralink-chipsets/comment-page-1/#comment-2237 Sat, 26 Jun 2010 03:41:06 +0000 http://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/?p=695#comment-2237 In reply to Vidal.

Hi Vidal,

We went to great pains to collect a lot of packet traces. I examined the wireless traces myself and it was pretty clear that the issue was with the client adapter. It’s the client adapter’s responsibility to roam and when to roam, the wireless network just advertises availability.

We tried all methods of encryption including un-encrypted and wide open, still the same roaming issues persisted.

With that said we have seen some ‘odd’ behavior from time to time with different clients, many of which have been resolved with subsequent software and driver upgrades.

Thanks for the comment!

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By: Vidal https://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/2009/03/issues-with-wireless-roaming-and-ralink-chipsets/comment-page-1/#comment-2236 Sat, 26 Jun 2010 03:19:48 +0000 http://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/?p=695#comment-2236 Michael,

I had the same scenario (didn’t want to roam until it had lost complete signal) after deploying a WLAN using WS5100 Switch with WPA/PSK encryption.

My clients are Talkman T2x (Text-to-Speech solution by Vocollect) and they lost communication with the server every time the roam is needed.

We apparently solved the problem changing the encryption to WEP.

Are you sure that the problem is in the clients and not with the RFS7000?

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By: Michael McNamara https://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/2009/03/issues-with-wireless-roaming-and-ralink-chipsets/comment-page-1/#comment-1556 Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:21:54 +0000 http://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/?p=695#comment-1556 Just a follow-up to this article for any following in our footsteps.

We had intermittent issues with the Netgear WDNS3100 as well when we would roam between Access Ports/Points. We ultimately replaced all of them with Cisco 802.11a/b/g Wireless PCI card which works flawlessly. Unfortunately we had to buy the expansion kit for the HP Thin Clients which added to the amount of work and cost but it was well worth the effort to be assured that the COWS would roam without issue.

I’m not sure why the other vendors/chipsets can’t get this one right?

Cheers!

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By: Michael McNamara https://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/2009/03/issues-with-wireless-roaming-and-ralink-chipsets/comment-page-1/#comment-865 Thu, 07 May 2009 18:37:08 +0000 http://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/?p=695#comment-865 In reply to suner.

Hi Suner,

Unfortunately I had to drop the D-Link adapter… even with Fast roaming enabled (85dB) the adapter seemed to throw fits from time to time. Initially we thought it might have to-do with the WPA/TKIP/802.1x configuration with Windows XP and the re-authentication as the STA roamed from AP to AP but even in a open network we had issues. While the adapter seems to work fine once your connected and in-mobile it was hit or miss once you started moving or if you just picked up… walked 200 ft and tried to work again. It was definitely MUCH better behaved with Fast roaming enabled but it was no where near where we needed it to be.

We’ve since gone back and starting using the Netgear WDNA3100 which is based on an Atheros chipset. While this adapter might be a few more $$$ it appears to be much more consistent than the D-Link or Linksys adapters in terms of roaming and even in terms of authentication time using WPA/TKIP/802.1x.

Thanks for the comment!

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By: suner https://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/2009/03/issues-with-wireless-roaming-and-ralink-chipsets/comment-page-1/#comment-850 Tue, 05 May 2009 03:36:16 +0000 http://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/?p=695#comment-850 When enable fast roaming in RaUI , you shall work fine.Fast roaming will be according to singal sensitivity both of Linux and Windows.

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By: suner https://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/2009/03/issues-with-wireless-roaming-and-ralink-chipsets/comment-page-1/#comment-835 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:18:35 +0000 http://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/?p=695#comment-835 I think main point is signal if lower than -70 dBm RT2870STA send probe request automatically to another AP2 in this time.You shall catch packets with Omnipeek and see if RT2870STA send probe request automatically to another AP2 in this time.If RT2870STA send , it will work fine.

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By: Michael McNamara https://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/2009/03/issues-with-wireless-roaming-and-ralink-chipsets/comment-page-1/#comment-834 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:04:36 +0000 http://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/?p=695#comment-834 Hi Suner,

Since you refer to “iwconfig” I’m suspecting that you are using a Linux operating system and not Windows XP. I haven’t tested the hardware with any of the Linux distributions only with Windows XP and Windows XP Embedded.

Thanks for the information regarding Linux!

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By: suner https://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/2009/03/issues-with-wireless-roaming-and-ralink-chipsets/comment-page-1/#comment-832 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:15:21 +0000 http://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/?p=695#comment-832 My environment setup as below, and it is OK.
1. RT2870STA driver version is v2.1.0.0.
2. Set AutoRoaming=1 and RoamThreshold=70 in RT2870STA.dat file
3. Setup two APs (AP1, AP2) with same SSID and security mode.
4. Type “iwconfig” to check STA status, and make sure whether AP1 or AP2 is associated.
5. By reducing RSSI of associated AP lower than -70 dBm, then RT2870STA will roam to another AP (with better RSSI) within 3-4 seconds.You can catch packets with Omnipeek and see if RT2870STA send probe request automatically to another AP2 in this time.

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By: Michael McNamara https://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/2009/03/issues-with-wireless-roaming-and-ralink-chipsets/comment-page-1/#comment-712 Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:25:01 +0000 http://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/?p=695#comment-712 Thanks for the comment Mark.

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By: Mark Howell https://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/2009/03/issues-with-wireless-roaming-and-ralink-chipsets/comment-page-1/#comment-710 Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:55:46 +0000 http://blog.michaelfmcnamara.com/?p=695#comment-710 Use Meru’s Virtual Cell technology which will take away your roaming issues completely
http://www.merunetworks.com/pdf/whitepapers/Virtual_Cells_WP4_0705.pdf

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